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July 21, 2006

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Pronoia

Yes, I would say the cleaning fetish is about control, and no, it's not normal. I wouldn't say it's about controlling people, per se, since it seems to be more about controlling the environment he's in, but if you're in that environment, you're going to be subject to it.

I'm so sorry you're dealing with this--it's so silly and annoying! Good luck figuring out what you can and can't live with.

That Girl

It's not evenly thinly veiled (I know it's hard to see when your emmeshed). Your sister was soo totally "As long as everything is clean and neat and tidy then mom is not really dying and even when she dies I can distract myself with Look! Look over there! A mess!

In the same way that being an alcholoic can run in the family, so can other forms of addiction. Addiction is ALWAYS about control.

Being controlling when the result is like this is very hard on those who want to break free because having a clean home is, on the surface, a good thing. When it interferes in your relationship with anyone though, it is a bad thing, like workaholics.
The fact that you have to put up with this is crap. I really think you should consider being on your own - being in an abusive relationship is bad for your health. And yelling at someone (especially over housework) is abusive.
You did such a great thing identifying Naim's cleaning anxiety and working to resolve it - your dad is only gonna exacerbate it.
When you have to leave your home to get some peace it's time to move.
Sorry if this doesnt help.
I wish you the best of luck in resolving it though!

Emma.

Would it be terribly presumptious of me to say BAIL ?
You're formulating plans for a reason. Your father will damage your sweet boys with his obsessive behaviour. They must take priority. You know all this,because that's pretty much what you've written. Your relationship with your farther may well improve once you're away from that situation.
Best of luck.

ONLY four or five months??? That's a long time to try and tolerate your dad's attitude and behavior. It will affect your kids over the long term, I think. If your dad had another type of addiction, you'd protect your kids from it, but it's so hard when it's something that seems "good." Your dad can't stand outside himself to see his problem. I agree with the other commenters--bail.

shannon

I am late to this party due to my travels, but I say bail, too.

Your family's behavior certainly meets my standards of abusive control and it's a terrible example for your boys of how men treat women.

D is the most important man in the boys' lives, not gramps. It would be great if they could live with him and see him as their grown up male role model.

So in keeping with your emphasis on priorities, bail. Absolutely bail.

scott

My wife is the same way, clean, clean, clean. That's all she does. I can't do anything in the house without getting scolded on how long it will take to clean up. If I cook and it takes 30 min to make a simple meal, I have to hear from her that she'll be cleaning for hours and hours. It's crazy! I mean I bake on aluminum foil, we eat on paper plates, we drink out of plastic cups, it's crazy! When I'm done cooking there is nothing to clean up, I do it, but it's not good enough, never is. If the kitchen sink is wet she has to dry it out and heaven forbid I use it!!! there will be hell to pay. Never a dirty dish in the sink, never have I seen one I tell you.

Everyone of the kids toys has a place and it must be in that place by the end of the night or it's like she cant sleep or something. Half the times it's like the kids cant play with their toys because they will mess them up or something. Every single little thing has it's very own place and it must be there.

Everything has it's place, even the junk drawer is organized....daily. She is cleaning as I am typing this and its after midnight! I understand what you are going through, I feel your pain.

Sarah

I really appreciate what you wrote. I spent most of yesterday crying because my neat freak mother and sister came over and told me how worried they were that my place is dirty and making my kids sick. (They believe that myth that the same virus can be passed around over and over again, which my doctor thorougly debunked.) I have three boys in a two bedroom apartment. They are 6, 4, and 2. Less than two weeks ago, I got off of crutches after being on them for 4 months. (I had a broken foot and it took a lot longer to heal than it was supposed to because I couldn't rest.) Before that, I was very sick for months and it made staying on top of things very difficult. My place is cluttered, but it's sanitary. Anyway, they insisted on taking my kids while I clean and they made me feel like complete and utter crap.

My mom cleans obsessively. I didn't realize how bad she was until I got married and my husband started pointing out the things she does. I was just used to it. She was always getting on our cases about things. I would get home from school, sit on the couch, and take my shoes off for a few minutes before I had to put them back on again to go to some kind of activity. My mom would say, "Why do you leave your shoes in the middle of the floor like that?" They weren't in the middle of the floor and I was about to put them back on. When she went away for a week, I came by to visit my dad and it was a mess in there - I'd never seen it like that, but it was kind of refreshing. I said, "Dad, how do you like being a bachelor?" He said, "I love it! Do you know your mom tried to tell me when to vacuum when she was gone?" She actually told him how many times he had to vacuum and on which days. Whenever there's company, she goes on and on about how dusty her house is after people tell her how clean it is. She has a hard time sitting down and enjoying herself because she's so focused on cleaning. Last week when I was making a gigantic dinner over there and was in a hurry, I accidentally dripped some water on the floor (ooh! water!) and she hassled me about it and insisted it get cleaned up. My way is to clean when I'm all done, especially since there's a chance I'm going to mess it up again. She can make things quite unenjoyable.

A few years ago, my sister called me and said, "I'm turning into Mom." I said, "Ohhhhh ... I'm sorry ..." She told me how her nephew was visiting and she spent the whole time stressing about every little mess he made. She followed him around the whole time cleaning after him! She recognized how annoying this trait is and didn't want to feel this way, so that's why I'm even more surprised that she would treat me the way she did yesterday. I know they meant well, but they could've gone about it in a much better way.

With my boys, they sabotage everything I clean, or while I'm cleaning, they mess up something else. I have learned to choose my battles when it comes to cleaning. I get done what is necessary for our health and whatever I can do after that, but I've becoming less concerned with decluttering. I don't have a place to put everything and it's frustrating. I spent way too much time telling my kids, "No, we can't do this. The house is a mess." But it never got clean and I could've spent that time making memories with them. I have them clean with me and they think that's fun, but it's not especially productive.

(sigh)

My best friend is headed over here right now to help me clean. I called her bawling yesterday after my mom and sister were here. I had told my mom that I got a babysitter so I could go to PT and she said, "Let me come watch the kids." I thought that was so great. I said, "When I come home, I'll make you a smoothie." She loves smoothies. When I got back, my sister's car was here, and I was concerned because she just had the stomach flu two days ago. (And she's concerned about our health???) Apparently they had arranged to have an "intervention" with me. How nice. And they choose to do this when I'm still not walking normal because of pain and weakness, the same weekend we got in a fender bender, and while my husband has pneumonia. (As a side note, my mom has terrible timing. She asked me if I wanted a membership to Jenny Craig for my birthday when I was in my first trimester with my first son! Then WHILE my foot was broken, she asked me if I wanted a membership to Curves when I was all better. Translation: She thinks I broke my foot because I'm overweight. Not so according to my doctor. This is a very common break for all sizes. I was feeling bad enough about being on crutches, just wishing I could walk again, and she's all focused on, "How are we going to get Sarah unfat so she doesn't inconvenience us and need help?")

I love my mom and sister, but sometimes they drive me nuts. I feel terrible because I don't want them to come over to my place anymore. My mom is most focused on our carpet. IT'S BEIGE CARPET! THREE BOYS WITH BEIGE CARPET!!!!!!!!!!! AN EATING AREA WITH BEIGE CARPET!!!!!!!! What does she expect?

Thanks for the opportunity to vent! :) I just found this place when I was looking up articles about dirty houses making people sick. :P

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